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The cycles of Saturn and Neptune -
a cosmic dance
A few years ago, I was fascinated and inspired by the work of Nick A. Fiorenza about planetary cycles – I wanted to know more, so I started to research the cycles myself.
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When I do this research, it means that I print out a chart for every time they meet - I have them all from 1419 BCE to 2384 also as a data sheet for easier access.
​All the data is based on heliocentric, sidereal Astrology - all dates according the
Gregorian calendar...
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Saturn and Neptune meet every roughly 35,5 to 36,5 years
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Saturn and Neptune cycles form pentagonal patterns
One pattern of cycles for pairs that involves faster moving planets, is as of how many times it takes them to meet once around the zodiac.
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Saturn and Neptune as mentioned do meet roughly every 36 years and they need 5 plus a little meetings to go around the zodiac ones.
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So, it’s a pentagonal cycle pattern – that “little bit” more does happen through the “space” in degrees between their meetings. It’s 77 to 79 degrees (rounded), whereas the whole cycle of 360° divided by 5 gives 72°…
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Therefore, it’s the 6th “line” (time between two meetings) where the cycle is completed but it starts some roughly 32° past the first meeting – so it describes a kind of a pentagonal spiral.
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“I do not believe in coincidences” – Neptune was officially discovered in 1846 and the letter confirming/proving this discovery arrived on 23rd of September 1846 after several months or longer of observations and calculations with Officials…
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Yes, of course, there was a conjunction of Saturn and Neptune in that year:
25th of July 1846 sid. Aquarius 3°44’6” around Neptune’s discovery place
26th of May 1882 sid. Aries 23°1’33” it’s roughly 79° apart
19th of Aug. 1917 sid. Cancer 10°50’27” it’s roughly 78° apart
19th of Feb. 1953 sid. Virgo 27°51’19” it’s roughly 77° apart
18th of July 1989 sid. Sagittarius 16°30’50” (Jupiter’s Southnode) it’s roughly 78° apart
12th of Dec. 2025 sid. Pisces 5°52’18 it’s roughly 79° apart - 32 from 1846
The 2025 conjunction is roughly 32° passed the 1st of the 5 conjunctions.
I think, this degree and individual placements when working with cycle astrology should be considered relevant.
This 2025 conjunction will take place just a good degree from the vernal point and ca. 1 degree or less from the South Galactic Pole (in ecliptic view).
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I don’t want to implement that this is one cycle within a cycle as we can’t know, when and where it really started – millions or billions of years ago – yet, the pattern stays the same, wherever you start counting in this let’s say more recent or present times of which we have the data….
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In this perspective, every conjunction does “complete” and start a new pentagonal structure – to see the exact longitudes, we only have to “count back”…
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I’m pretty certain, that the nodal axis play a role too - when conjunctions take place at one of the planet's nodes or "highest and lowest inclination points", there can be more details and interpretations derived from.
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Let's explore the Geometry
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Adam Apollo and others explain that the 5 – the pentagram or pentagon describes physicality in the sense of curvature of “space time” or in other words gravitation and goes further to describe it as the understanding of the 4 elements and connection with spirit/consciousness, we can perceive ourselves as the vessel (ether / time-space).
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The Pentagram is often depicted as a Human standing in full connectedness. The 5 or pentagram is only 1 of many in our case here right - we'll get also the 10, 15, 20 etc., evolution in consciousness - a "spiraling pentagram"...
Already as a kid, in my dreams and "astral projections" I did encounter spirals - had no clue what it means and that I would use them in Astrology decades later, lol
The 5 or pentagonal division of a cycle is also related to the golden mean / ratio or Fibonacci sequences and the dodecahedron shape (shows 12 pentagram faces).
From this perspective, Saturn and Neptune create the "face" of a much larger structure - what that exactly would embody, I have to admit, is beyond my current ability of imagination.
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The number 6 or Hexagonal structures as we for example see at Saturn’s Northpole (see picture below). With this 6 or bringing the 5 further, we get equilibrium in the sense of the giving order to the 5, to the pentagonal structures...
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We produce the curvature as a basis for anything to be in physicality – it’s the consciousness, the imagination, the dreams that need to be put into actualization, into order, into structure…
Neptune and Saturn
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