Saturn and Neptune 1989 to 2025 to 2061
- Fran Arnet
- 6d
- 9 min read
We're now wrapping up the 1989 conjunction for a while already and the "big event" of a new conjunction will be on 12th of December 2025.
Saturn is about structures/systems, maturing, responsibility, and authority and is often perceived as “limiting” or "heavy", which is the "cosmic joke" here, as Saturn is in fact the least dense planet of them all.
Our "old" paradigm was built on the illusion of Saturn's heaviness, which enabled systems based on fear, scarcity, and hoarding.
The "new" paradigm though demands structures based on Saturn's true nature of structural coherence, which is light, fluid, and defined by sovereignty.
Neptune is the ruler of water or liquids - he’s a bridge and gate between the inner and outer realms, to break through the veils, walls, dreams, illusions and disbelief – we need to gain clarity in order to transcend (especially of Self). More about Neptune:
There's a page about their cycles in general on my website: Saturn and Neptune
(I made it publicly accessible - usually only for Subscribers)
In mythology, Neptune (Poseidon) is a son of Saturn (Cronus) – Cronus had devoured his children, except Jupiter (Zeus) who then in turn freed his siblings and together with Pluto (Hades) and Neptune created the “Olympian dynasty”.
We could say, there’s a generational issue involved – ideas and ideals change and sometimes it takes a collaboration in order to “free” oneself of whatever holds us in the past – may that now be “literally” or within a mindset or “structures” that seem outdated, emotional stuff we might have accumulated, limiting beliefs etc., or “buried” dreams.
This pair is bringing all such themes to the surface and same time hold creative potential – ideas of how the “new” could be – that can apply to political and societal systems.
Yet, there’s another possibility to apply the planetary themes to – we might finally see “through the veil”, see through whatever we might have used to numb ourselves and to “escape” responsibility and to finally “mature” into the very own sovereign beings we are.
It’s not an easy “task” and not as much supported by the “outside world” but IS by the “Universe” – it’s simple – sovereign people are much harder to be manipulated or governed…
Saturn and Neptune conjunction 2025
Together, Saturn and Neptune are "dissolving" old structures and initiate a "new beginning", which especially true this time, as their conjunction is placed over the South Galactic Pole, which numerically reveals the Source (often expressed as 0 or Zero Point) from which all new beginnings (1 - together: 01 or 10) emerge from or collapse back into, demanding the necessary Completion (9) of all old karmic cycles through integration.
This placement over the Galactic South Pole (GSP) symbolizes the actual call to absolute sovereignty. The GSP acts as the cosmological Zero Point, demanding the structural dissolution of the past (Neptune) so the Source can flow.
Saturn and Neptune circled red, at 5°52’18” sidereal Pisces.
They are opposed by Mercury in very early sidereal Virgo and are trined by Venus at the Scorpion’s head.
This forms an axis of integration with Mercury under the Galactic North Pole (GNP). If the GSP is the source, the GNP is the point of order. The mind (Mercury) is asked to translate the Source (GSP) into the responsibility of form, a principle often represented by the number 6, which finds its perfect geometrical expression in Saturn's own north pole Hexagram. Thus, we are asked to consciously create new coherent structures.
This requires discernment of the source of every thought. Mercury in Virgo demands we filter out the old, fear-based programs and use our conscious will to choose the coherent thought. We can simply state: "No, I do not consent" to the illusion, or "Yes, that's a great idea, thanks" to the truth.
Venus at the Scorpion's head is confirming the heartfelt change of the neurological system. It needs training (Pluto in earlier Capricorn) to create the new internal pathways, to create new automatisms by same time, asking for compassion for any "perceived failure" as there are no mistakes, only a kind of "scientific evaluation" like in "ohhh, THIS didn't work the way I wanted"... I like to use the comparison with learning to drive car - the more and longer we get angry about making a mistake, the longer the "training" will take... so be nice to yourself, while getting the "Mercury-Mars function" to work in this "higher" learning process (Jupiter).
Their 1989 conjunction showed Uranus close, now in 2025, Uranus is ahead in earlier sidereal Taurus approaching Sedna, so they’re both in a sextile to Saturn and Neptune. This means, Uranus is in a first sextile from Neptune (exact 60° in 2026 – conjunction was 1933). Saturn will meet with Uranus exact in 2029.
Saturn and Neptune are in an approaching first 60° from Pluto and is Uranus approaching 120° from Pluto. The exact aspects will be between 2026 and 2029.
In 1989 there was a synchronization between Vesta, Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus - and as you could see above, Uranus does still play a role also a different one as he's "ahead" this time. Vesta though, isn't as far from her 1989 placement also now, in 2025.
As Vesta holds the principle of "fire" and the dedication of keeping it alive, it's a spiritual and purification call here - when we stay true to our "fire" or passion, we're in this sense "home" and that, "wherever we physically are"....
The relationship with Pluto though, was a very different one - in 1989 Pluto was physically closer to the Sun than Neptune, meaning there was a "planetary line-up change" - by now, it's back to "normal" - if you're interested, into the Neptune and Pluto dance more intensively, then you can find a "Pdf Book" about it on my "Shop page".
Saturn and Neptune circled red, in early sidereal Aquarius,
opposed by Mars at the star Regulus of Leo
Saturn and Neptune were approaching Eris for conjunction of longitude.
Eris has now made it to the very end of sidereal Pisces and is conjoined by Chiron in the 2025 chart. Link to the Chiron-Eris post.
Interesting to note: Pallas and Sedna stood back then, where Saturn and Neptune have their 2025 conjunction.
Pallas has since completed many orbits but Sedna has just made it to 5°55’ sideral Taurus – it’s like her themes are “liberated” by Uranus in the 2025 chart, leading to profound change maybe even of how we dare to imagine…
In the 1846 conjunction chart, Uranus stood near the star Linteum of Pisces and was opposed by Chiron in the middle of sidereal Virgo (note – Chiron does cross Uranus’ orbit and was at that time closer to the Sun than Uranus).
The conjunction of 18th July 1989
At 16°13'50" sid. Sagittarius with Vesta at 16°42' as companion - conjoining stars are Nunki of Sagittarius and stars of Corona Australis and Jupiter's Southnode at 16° sid Sagittarius.
Saturn also just had his conjunction with Uranus, and Uranus is approaching Neptune.
Saturn and Neptune are in opposition with Chiron in Gemini.
A stellium at the Taurus-Gemini cusp with Pholus at 25°, Jupiter at 27°1’51” in conjunction with Chariklo at 27°5’57” with Varuna at 0°43’ Gemini (Ceres NN at 26°10’ Taurus), is of influence but not directly connected through angles.
Saturn and Neptune combined with Vesta, the sacred inner fire, the devotion... what a powerful alignment in an area that represents the spiritual warrior, the galactic connection, the inner self and it’s truth but also talks about the focus needed in order to create the correct spin/action, vibration. Our vibration we put out, is “reflected” back within the field of resonance it had created….
The stars of Corona Australis (Southern Crown) are representing the "alchemical" processes - the energies we access to create our own "resonant environment" according to our very own paths/intention/purpose...
These energies are there at all times – always have - Vesta is giving us an idea and direction of how our personal path may look like, by showing us our passions and devotion.
This devotion and commitment will create a resonance within that leads the way according the intention and purpose.
If we want to know ourselves, if we want to live accordingly, we need to shift something within. Phantasy, dreams, and illusions can be worked with – they hold information about a deeper truth. At times it may feel pretty “sobering”, when waking up to a “reality” that seems not to match or “dissonant” in this sense.
People can devote themselves to all kinds of stuff and sometimes they do the same time “neglect” something else and that can bring troubles. Saturn wants us to take responsibility and that’s sometimes easier said than done but also holds the key to stay in the own “power” – we can be our own “authority” in this sense or become dependent on something or someone else, which sometimes works well and other times maybe not as much.
Uranus, is in my opinion a liberator but also about "technology" and includes in this sense our "bio technology" and with Neptune and opposing Chiron, I think,, something we had to and still are becoming aware of. It's "healing and freeing".
When we feel "limited" because of whatever - may that now be within or without - what approach do we have to it? Are we giving more power away or are we in this sense start to go "within" and see what themes "relate" to what we see in the outside? Are we aware of themes of resonance and vibration? What does "music" create within oneself? What is the truth, what is the coherence, what are dreams and are there other "dimensions and realms"?
As we're almost at the end of this cycle, we can answer these questions and we find examples of these type of energies within history....
In the late 1980's and the early 1990's we saw the "iron curtain" fall - we saw independence and reunion's that were "fought" for but in a way, that has no equivalent in recorded history. People came together and formed "human chains" or were "singing" as a way of revolution.
I think, these people can serve as an example and are empowering to today - IT IS POSSIBLE - not only within political themes but also within one's own individual life and private inner matters...
Saturn and Neptune will conjunct again in December 2025 at 5°52'18" sid. Pisces
October 2021 - Saturn and Neptune at 320 degrees
(1989 to 2025 cycle)
At around 320° or let’s say 40° from their next conjunction in 2025 – in October 2022 we’ll reach the last 30°….
It means that we’re in the focus for the future, yes, may start seeding but in the beginning phase so with more “vague” ideas but with a knowing what doesn’t serve any longer – the closer we come to the 30° the more concrete ideas become and more and more focus to the future with the “past” starting to “fade out” but the real creative phase will start after the next conjunction….. …. There always are some fore-runners though….
When we look at the New-Moon chart (6th of October 2021) we see Saturn at 16° Capricorn and Neptune at 26° Aquarius under the Circlet (fish head)… Interesting to note is that Saturn stands on Neptune’s Southnode and at the same place Venus’ Aphelion… whereas Neptune stands between Juno’s and Pallas’ Southnodes and near Uranus’ Aphelion…
We have learned a lot, heard a lot from people, spiritual “Teachers”, Channelors, "Gurus" and so on and together with our own experiences we have “adjusted” our belief-system in many ways already, we have developed “structures” within self and without (societal) that allows “sharing”, contributing to these topics to become more “common” or acceptable for many….
Now, we can experience without fear of stigmatization or worse - for many still maybe "weird" or encounter non acceptance, but everyone can find an "own group" where to express. Every single person who does add even in little ways, contributes to the "frequency" on the globe to even further that understanding and acceptance.
The placement of Saturn is just confirming the “practice” integrated into our daily routine, thoughts and beliefs to be a stabilizing and mature "force"… Saturn will change into the a little more “sharing” part of Capricorn maybe still shy and a little hesitant going public maybe to a few selected first etc… but don’t forget – Venus’ Aphelion – whatever you do, do it with “heart and soul” as it’s her “intention” here, that brings “vibration”/waves to Neptune’s waters (path of action)…
Neptune will change into the sign of Pisces AND change Aphelion-Perihelion between February and end of April 2023…. This whole time now, until roughly end of 2024 Neptune travels along the Circlet, over the constellation Phoenix and Sculptor towards the Equinox axis point and the Galactic Southpole and a little further then to their meeting point….
A general note:
Collectively we're All in this cycle and theme and it's accessible to everyone as it's the current energy or "intention" of the cycle we're soon finishing... on an individual level though, especially us born before 1989 were born under the previous cycle within whatever angle (cycle theme/stage) with its various "tasks"... and that's the same for any cycle and as you All know by now, there are MANY....
Something I would really like to make an emphasis on, is also the fact that in many of the charts of those cycles as well as in current times, Pisces is always in one or another form "occupied", same time Pisces is also the MC (10th house) of the heliocentric charts (the overlay of the crosses), that means that the themes of the "past", the collective as well as spirituality, belief systems and our very own foundations, intentions and similar are very "highlighted" at all times...
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